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An Interview with Ed Roberts

A Founder of the Independent Living Movement

It was the attitude of people that I would get my Ph.D. and then go live in a nursing home.

I was the first of us here at {University of California} Berkeley

, in 1962. John Hessler came in a year later. By 1967, there were eight or ten of us. They

called us the Rolling Quads. Society's expectation of us --very low expectations --had

tremendous power over us. These helpers were so fearful that we would get out into the

world and die. We were very clear philosophically. We were beginning to talk about

disability issues as civil rights issues. We were involved in the civil rights movement,

the women's movement, anti-war, and the free speech movement. It was an exciting time.

So we were well trained.

We learned the theater of it. We learned how to play good cop/bad cop. Whenever we

needed somebody to stare somebody down it was John Hessler. He was six foot eight

inches; he had a huge wheelchair. We learned the power of our disabilities. It was all theater.

It worked with the government; it worked with the janitor. We had the usual extracurricular

activities: sex, drugs, rock and roll. When people saw us do that too, it changed the attitude.

People in other movements didn't always see that we were up against damaging stereotypes,

just the way they were. We were in their movements, but they weren't in ours. We had our

first battle with VR [Vocational Rehab]. Our first counselor was okay. He was the kind to

say to us, "What do you want? How can we make this happen?"

The second counselor, though, with her it was more like, "If you don't do this well, if you don't

carry this many credits, you're out of here." We had to live at the student health center. We

weren't "healthy" enough to live out on campus. This counselor, she was one of the reasons

we were fiercely independent. There was no way we were going to let her threaten us. We

were learning to be assertive. There were some of us had been locked up all their lives in

nursing homes and state homes. They were the very ones who were most threatened by

this counselor. She got a couple of them expelled from school. Everyone of us had tried to

work with her. At first we tried to negotiate. We bent over backwards, "Let's listen to what

she has to say." The bottom line was she had the power over our existence and she went

too far. We started with private negotiations. That didn't work. We went public with a press

conference. The newspaper reporters were wonderful You know the angle: these helpless

cripples who want to go to school and make something of themselves. They vilified the

Voc[ational Rehab] department. There were ten or eleven of us integrating the whole

university, the whole community. The reporters, the university, were inspired by it.

We were being threatened with expulsion not because we weren't doing well in school

but because we were disabled and loud about our civil rights. When she expelled our

people, we talked harder and longer to the newspapers.

A few weeks later they were reinstated. It showed us we could succeed. Like Saul Alinsky

says, "It's really important to win that first battle".

People expected us to fail. That didn't happen. They realized how powerful we were.

We stuck together, we worked together, we drew the line of what was unacceptable.

There were times when the word "no" was unacceptable. There was no question we

had control of the program. They had trouble finding another voc[vocational] counselor who

would take that job with us. None of the counselors wanted to be with us. We were known

as a feisty group of people who wouldn't give up their futures. We got the city to do the first

ever curb cut, on Telegraph Avenue. The city wanted to know why we needed curb cuts:

"We don't see you out there." You know, that Catch 22 thing they do.

So they put in the cut and old people liked it and then women pushing baby strollers liked

it and they put in more cuts and more of us were out there. We had this political clout with

the city. They had to listen to us in a more realistic way. We were strong integrationist's

and inclusionists. One of our philosophies was we would never do a government agency's

job. We didn't want to set up a segregated transportation system. Getting people places

was the transportation system's job. We had to hold them accountable. All things change

when you get political power. We found real power in disability. If you're going into

negotiations with somebody who feels sorry for you, use that to manipulate them.

But when you use that sick role all the time, it's toxic.

By 1968 --I was teaching then-- we had the National Guard on campus. We called them

the Blue Meanies. Reagan was Governor. We had them bombing us with tear gas.

The Blue Meanies rolled a tear gas bomb in my room. I was trying to keep the students

in the classroom, away from the fighting outside, and the Blue Meanies rolled one right in.

They knew me. They knew I was in there. They almost killed me with the CS gas. I had to

get right into the iron lung in a hurry. They had to rush me to the campus hospital.

Then there was CS gas dropping from helicopters on the hospital. Reporters really

nailed Reagan on that. The national guard general had to apologize. The director of

our hospital took Reagan on when Reagan denied it ever happened. People had

almost lost their lives and here was Reagan denying it ever happened. We just got

stronger and stronger as more people came in. More a part of the community.

People came from allover the U.S. to see how these severely disabled people were

going to school. The university found it a matter of prestige to back us. They began

to see that the future was in serving more disabled people.

What was to become the first Independent Living Center, that started on campus.

I worked with the federal government as a consultant in 1969. It was my first trip to

DC, my first plane trip, the first time the government had to pay for an attendant.

We had to go through a few bureaucrats to get that accomplished. They were saying,

"Why are two people coming when we only invited one?" They brought me in to work

on a special student services program for racial and ethnic minorities. As that bill

was going through the House, one guy threw in a clause that 10% of it had to go to

the disabled.

I helped write the guidelines for that. We set up a program that had to do with self-help,

with an attendant pool, with working with peers. Our job was to not to control their lives

but to help people take control over their own lives. It works fantastically. It empowers

people like crazy. John Hessler, the second student to come into Berkeley; he went to

France to study French. We got the county welfare to finance that. So he decided he

didn't really want to teach French and came back and put the proposal together for

the disabled student program. That document became the model on how to set up

an IL program.

Our disabled student program was so successful. We taught people how to use the

welfare system to survive and go to school. We got to know the welfare regulations

better than the welfare people who worked in those agencies. We knew all the

loopholes. We got a van. The director of the Disabled Students Program was a

quad and he could drive it. We kept pushing the department of rehab to buy those

kinds of things for people.

We made sure our people got the maximum amount of attendant care. When we found

it very difficult, we went to the state and got the regulations for it. It was totally political.

We began to be perceived as political animals. That changes the perception of you to

powerful. As you begin to get more and more empowered, you see yourself as powerful

too. Not only did we join all movements, we realized the only way to change things

was politics.

Always other people had spoken for us. We were speaking for ourselves. We had lots

of comments from legislators on how important it was to hear it directly from us. We had

a lot of credibility. We began to get involved in local elections, volunteering time to

help politicians. We recruited friends and attendants to do that work too. It gets you

known in politics to do all that.

We were the only people doing attendant services. This was during the Vietnam War.

There were a lot of Conscientious Objectors (C.O.) then, wonderful people.

I talked with the head of Selective Services, suggested he turn over those C.O.'s to us.

We explained it so he could get it: that it would be punishment for them, having to

scoop up our shit. We'd teach them responsibility that way. He gave us hundreds of

C.O.'s for attendants. They were great attendants who were loyal, who stuck with us.

That was the only bad thing about ending the Vietnam War -we lost our C.O.

attendant pool.

The University finally said we had to stop serving non-students. So we moved out

into the community with independent living services. It started in one room in 1972,

then in a two-bedroom apartment. It struggled a lot to just get going. I took over as

director. We began to raise some money. We knew we had something important

and it worked.

We were very clear that if we were going to be politically powerful, we had to

involve all people with disabilities, break down the barriers the charities had

created between us. An IL [(Independent Living Center)] had to be an IL for all

groups and all ages, not just for physical disabilities. This was clearly a political

decision. We weren't going to get anywhere nationally or internationally unless

we were together. The CIL immediately took off.

All of us who started CIL were on welfare. We made a conscious decision not to

go off it. We built the center on welfare. None of us could take a salary of more

than $300 and still get the welfare, so that's how we did it. I didn't go off welfare

until I became California Rehab Director in 1975. On Friday I was on welfare and

Director of the CIL. On Monday I was Rehab Director of the State of California.

In 1976 we started twenty more CIL's.

Whenever we start by believing people can't do it, we set up all these systems to

do it for them. Charities do that. IL is something else. IL is independent.

I was down in Dallas recently for a Partners in Policymaking [meeting]. There was

a guy there, a guy with muscular dystrophy who's spent half his life in a nursing home.

He came for this Partners training. He wants a life of his own.

So he and I and his attendant were going down this street, a nice, regular Dallas

street, and he says, "You know, it just occurred to me, I'm fifteen hundred miles

away from that f---king nursing home, and this feels great! This is living!" 

You had to be there.

The text of this interview was discovered in The Ability Center archives, December 2002.

 

OUR MISSION:

To promote the Philosophy of independent Living,

to connect individuals to services,

and to create an accessible community, so that

people with disabilities can have control over their lives

and full access to the communities in which they live.

 

         In 1978, a member of that original Berkeley group moved to Humboldt County and established

an independent living center in Eureka . Then known as Humboldt Access Project, the center worked

to help the disability community in this area begin to be able to access all of the opportunities that

non-disabled people had rights to.

         Over its 26 year history the agency has seen many changes. At one time it was known as the

place to get wheel chair ramps or home adaptations. Many persons with disabilities have worked

at the center throughout the years and many have fascinating and often heartwarming stories to tell.

         In its present day existence, the name has been changed to Tri-County Independent Living to

better describe that there is more to be done than help people with ramps or accessibility issues.

        “It is our primary goal to create a fully accessible community so that people with disabilities

have the exact same opportunities as their non-disabled neighbors.” said Chris Jones , Executive

Director of Tri-County Independent Living. “We are a small agency and we receive the smallest

grant of any of the ILC's in the state of California . That means we need to be creative in working

with people.”

         Jones noted that often people think the center will pay their rental deposit, or find them a job,

or help them pay for a car. While the center does not do those types of things, staff can put people

in touch with those that can help them write a resume, or sponsor a workshop on repairing their

credit history, or help them write a PASS plan. Tri-County has helped people locate affordable

assistive technology equipment, apply for social security benefits, gather for a support group

and a variety of other types of assistance. “People ask us what we can do for them – to that we

respond, 'What do you need ?' and we will figure out how to help” said Jones.

         Additionally, Tri-County Independent Living provides a computer lab for people with

disabilities to improve their technological skills; has a TTY phone and ADA Hotline; runs the

Computers For People With Disabilities Program (which refurbishes donated computer

systems and gives them to people with disabilities); has a newsletter, “RespectAbility,”

and a website, www.tilinet.org ; hosts a bi-monthly Cross Disability Peer Group and

sponsors the North Coast Spinal Cord Injury Support Group.


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